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Hiya and welcome to the Wellness Mama podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and I’m again at the moment with return visitor, Dr. Steven Gundry. And on this episode, we break down and debunk the myths of the Blue Zones. And I really like this matter as a result of Blue Zones, I really feel like, are sometimes quoted and cherry-picked for his or her knowledge to attempt to promote completely different plans or dietary supplements or merchandise that individuals have. And I really like that we obtained to go deep on what the information really says about Blue Zones. And it may not be what you assume. I definitely realized some issues about this that I didn’t know, together with some surprising statistics. I do know certainly one of these will completely shock you about one of many elements that is perhaps contributing to longevity in sure Blue Zones. And it’s positively not gonna be what you assume.
And Dr. Gundry breaks down how, whereas Blue Zones are sometimes used to advertise vegetarian or vegan or excessive grain diets, that’s not what the information really says. And there’s some distinctive different issues that stand out, together with consumption of sure uncommon meals that aren’t as frequent within the US however obtainable now within the US. We discuss their motion patterns and their each day life-style habits, in addition to elements and knowledge round nutrient consumption and mineral consumption and why these are such necessary elements.
And on the finish, he additionally shares his private non-negotiables and 80-20 of what he does day-after-day to take care of his well being and power and vitality whereas he nonetheless maintains a really lively profession, working with sufferers, writing books, and doing analysis as properly. And also you’ve most likely heard of him, however Dr. Gundry is the founder and director of the Worldwide Coronary heart and Lung Institute, in addition to the Heart for Restorative Drugs. He’s written many bestselling books, together with The Plant Paradox and the companions to that, The Longevity Paradox, The Vitality Paradox, his new Intestine Test e-book, and lots of others. He has over 300 articles printed in peer-reviewed journals, and he focuses on a dietary strategy to lowering illness and reversing issues like autoimmune illness. The truth is, his statistic for doing that together with his sufferers is over 94%. He’s been doing this work for many years, and he’s one of many actually sturdy voices on this house. I’m very excited to share him with you at the moment, so let’s bounce into the episode. Dr. Gundry, welcome again. I’m so excited to have you ever again once more.
Dr. Gundry: Hey, it’s nice to be right here, thanks.
Katie: Properly, I’m tremendous excited to leap into a subject that the title is perhaps just a little surprising to individuals at first look, however I do know that you’ve got loads of knowledge and expertise to assist this, and I’m tremendous excited to be taught from you at the moment. We’re gonna discuss debunking Blue Zones. So to start out broad and provides some background, I’d love so that you can clarify what are the most important misconceptions with regards to Blue Zones as a result of I’ve been watching this knowledge now for over a decade, and it looks as if numerous individuals cherry-pick the information from Blue Zones to attempt to show their very own level or promote their very own product. And I do know you’re a really first rules pushed individual and you actually go to the basis of issues. So what are these misconceptions with regards to Blue Zones?
Dr. Gundry: Properly, as I discuss in that chapter within the, within the new e-book, Intestine Test, the chapter is mainly entitled, Cigarettes, Cheese, and Meat: New ideas from the Blue Zones. Simon & Garfunkel used to say {that a} man hears what he desires to listen to and disregards the remainder. And to begin with, the Blue Zones, everyone wonders, properly, the place the phrase Blue Zones come from? We’re speaking about loads of these locations the place within the water or islands or within the Mediterranean, and possibly it’s the ocean.
Now the Blue Zones, there was a gathering in Montpellier, France, which is within the south of France, quite a lot of years in the past, and a researcher obtained a blue-tip felt-markering pen and went to a map of the world and drew some circles round 5 locations that he thought, he thought had the perfect longevity on this planet. And who can be within the viewers however Dan Buettner, who really has trademarked the time period Blue Zone. So I’ve to watch out after I say it or use it. And so Dan is a vegetarian, virtually vegan. And so he needed, I believe, to select these elements of the Blue Zone cultures that assist his perception system. And, sadly, whenever you really take a look at what individuals eat in these areas, that doesn’t assist his perception system one bit.
We might use Okinawa for an instance. The Okinawans, the one detailed description of the Okinawan eating regimen was carried out by the US army in 1947 as an occupying nation. We took over Okinawa. And the one description of what Okinawans ate again then was by the US army, primary. The Okinawans, 85% of their eating regimen is a purple candy potato. The soy that they eat is miso. They hardly eat any rice, and so they definitely don’t eat another grain merchandise. The opposite factor that’s distinctive concerning the Okinawans is they really eat an enormous quantity of bitter, spicy inexperienced leaves and spices. The truth is, in Japan, they’re known as the spice eaters. So there’s nothing of their eating regimen that helps the concept that beans and rice is what makes them nice. It’s a candy potato. Sorry about that. The opposite factor that’s distinctive about Okinawa, in reality, as I discuss within the e-book, the Okinawans can’t develop rice as a result of their local weather doesn’t assist rice rising. So, oh properly.
Now possibly essentially the most spectacular factual knowledge comes out of Sardinia. So Sardinia is an Italian island. It’s mainly obtained two populations, bunch of people that reside down by the ocean, they’re fishermen, and a bunch of people that reside up within the mountains, and so they’re goat and sheep herders. The one individuals who have longevity reside within the mountains. The individuals who reside down by the ocean don’t have longevity, attention-grabbing sufficient. Uh, yeah. And the individuals who reside within the mountains, what makes them have extra longevity is definitely the lads reside so long as the ladies. Now, most individuals know that males on the whole reside about seven years shorter lives than ladies. You guys are the stronger intercourse, we obtained to confess it. However in that island, the lads really exceed the ladies’s longevity. Why is that? Properly, about 95% of the lads smoke, and solely about 25% of the ladies smoke. And we see this repeated in a number of different Blue Zones, like Ikaria, Greece, like at Ciroli within the south of Italy. The lads are people who smoke, and the ladies aren’t a lot. And it’s really the nicotine in smoke that is without doubt one of the finest mitochondrial and couplers, longevity brokers recognized to mankind. Now, I don’t smoke. I don’t advocate smoking. The issue with nicotine, it’s addictive. However it’s actually nice for longevity. And in reality, all of those longevity compounds that everyone’s speaking about, nicotinamide, riboside, NMN, niacinamide, nicotinic acid, that’s a cousin of nicotine and that’s really why they reside a lot longer. Sorry about that Dan.
Now the opposite factor that’s attention-grabbing, they’re sheep and goat herders. So day-after-day they’re consuming sheep and goat yogurt, sheep and goat cheeses, and as I’ve talked about in my final two books, these cheeses have two health-promoting properties. Primary, they’re loaded with medium-chain triglycerides. A 3rd of the fats in cheese and goat milk and cheeses are MCTs. Secondly, they’ve these compounds that I write about known as polyamines, which as soon as once more are extremely lifespan-promoting compound. So, a lot for the primary grain and bean idea there.
Properly, let’s discuss a spot that does eat grains and beans, the Nicoya Peninsula of Costa Rica. Now, all of Costa Rica eat beans and eat corn, and that’s their state. And the Nicoya Peninsula does eat beans and corn. However what’s distinctive about this little half is that they’re sheep and goat herders, and so they eat loads of sheep and goat cheese and goat yogurt, not like another a part of Costa Rica. And there’s a very attention-grabbing paper that I reference that the individuals in that area credit score the goat and sheep with their longevity, and so they assume that the beans and corn are a unfavourable facet to their eating regimen that they should tolerate only for energy. Oh properly, and we might go on and on.
Katie: Properly, that’s definitely a far cry from the US the place these issues are simply tolerated for energy and easily getting sufficient energy to exist. That’s an enormous distinction than the breakdown of nutritionally what most individuals eat, definitely within the US. That’s completely fascinating to me that you simply mentioned smoking may really be a think about longevity for these individuals as a result of I’ve seen a few of this knowledge as properly about nicotine itself, particularly if we will isolate it from smoking and the dangerous elements that include that. Would you say there is perhaps a time and a spot for nicotine consumption that’s not from smoking for longevity perspective?
Dr. Gundry: Properly, once more, I believe my buddy Dave Asprey makes use of nicotine drops on a regular basis. He argues, maybe accurately, that each one nice concepts took place in a restaurant with smoking cigarettes and ingesting espresso and having a glass of wine. And he may not be far off. However curiously sufficient, an island in Papua New Guinea, the Katawans, the Katawans smoke like fiends. They’ve by no means been recognized to have most cancers. There has by no means been a case of a stroke or coronary heart assault in these individuals. They usually eat a eating regimen with loads of tubers. They do eat loads of coconut. However right here’s one other instance the place the smoking doesn’t appear to have the unfavourable affect that we discover.
And I’m going into the e-book, and I’ve talked about it earlier than, one of many issues that most likely will get these individuals away with the unhealthy results of smoking: Smoking causes oxidative stress, and oxidative stress makes use of up a vital antioxidant known as vitamin C. And we’re one of many few animals that don’t make our personal vitamin C. We’ve got to ingest it. Vitamin C is crucial for knitting collagen again collectively. Collagen breaks on a regular basis, and people who smoke have extra wrinkles as a result of their collagen has damaged as a result of the injury of daylight and so they don’t have any vitamin C to place it again collectively, curiously sufficient. Similar method people who smoke have very distinct patterns of coronary artery illness that might be prevented by vitamin C. So I believe the people who smoke in these long-lived areas have a eating regimen that’s extremely wealthy in antioxidants in vitamin C. And there’s a really well-known examine in rats. There’s 5 genes that make enzymes that take glucose and convert it into vitamin C. So there’s 5 enzymatic steps. We’ve got 4 of these genes, however the fifth gene is known as a ghost gene. It doesn’t work. And that’s why we don’t make vitamin C. When you take rats and provides them the human gene sequence, rats make vitamin C, these rats will solely reside half so long as a traditional rat. However if you happen to put vitamin C of their ingesting water, in order that they’re ingesting vitamin C all day, they’ll equal how lengthy a rat would usually reside, supplying you with an thought of simply how necessary type of a steady provide of vitamin C is.
Katie: Wow, that’s fascinating as properly. I’d love to listen to out of your perspective what the information really says in what our key takeaways needs to be with regards to Blue Zones. It seems like definitely not grain and bean consumption in excessive quantities, probably root greens and tubers having a better place, particularly ones which are wealthy in issues like polyphenols are like brightly coloured. I’d guess additionally issues like though they drink wine in lots of of those locations, wine could also be not obligatory for longevity by any means.
And I do know individuals additionally discuss elements like usually they transfer extra, like individuals like goat and sheep herders most likely get way more motion than the typical American. It looks as if they usually have nice neighborhood and/or areas with good mineral, extra minerals within the soil or the ingesting water. However what out of your perspective are the important thing takeaways that we will really be taught after we take a look at the information with an correct lens that we will all be taught from?
Dr. Gundry: Properly, I believe you’ve hit on loads of them. Most of those reside in hilly areas. Loma Linda, the place I used to be professor for a lot of my profession, which is the one Blue Zone in the US. Loma Linda means lovely hill, curiously sufficient. And Loma Linda, the Adventist neighborhood, has the longevity. The remainder of Loma Linda doesn’t, curiously sufficient. One factor I’d add, in Okinawa, the entire medical information, start certificates have been destroyed in the course of the battle. And one of many theories of why Okinawans have been so long-lived is that when individuals have been requested how previous they have been, they made wild guesses, and there’s really no information. The opposite factor, notably in Europe, is that pensions are primarily based on dwelling individuals, and loads of instances, you want that pension to outlive, and so that you don’t declare deaths of people that have really died, so that you simply hold getting their pension. So, there’s all kinds of different issues.
I’d add, one of many issues that stunned me after I was doing the analysis for Intestine Test, is that individuals with the longest lifespan of any nation on this planet is just a little tiny nation between France and Spain known as Andorra. And it’s solely 150,000 inhabitants. And it’s method up within the Pyrenees Mountains. And the Andorrans have a really, so they really have a lifespan of about 90 years, each women and men. Fairly good. The Andorrans are sheepherders, and so they eat sheep cheese and sheep yogurts, and so they eat sausages day-after-day. And also you go, properly, wait a minute, that looks as if, wait a minute, cheese and sausage is the important thing to longevity? Properly, as I suggest in Intestine Test, sure. It seems that sausages, historically ready sausages, have polyamines and the actually nasty sugar molecule in beef, lamb, and pork, and milk known as NU5GC, is eaten by the micro organism throughout fermentation of sausages. In order that explains why you may type of have your cake and eat it too. So you may have cheese and sausages like charcuterie and possibly reside a very very long time.
Katie: That’s actually thrilling as properly, as a result of definitely you additionally hear them say, you already know, in these areas they don’t eat meat, they don’t eat animal merchandise, and it looks as if that can also be some cherry-picking of knowledge and never an correct illustration. And particularly, I do know it’s more durable to search out within the US, but it surely looks as if there is perhaps one thing to including extra sheep and goat dairy merchandise to our eating regimen, which definitely are very minimal in American eating regimen consumption from my understanding.
Dr. Gundry: Yeah, I imply, fortunately, we’re starting to see like plain goat yogurt. It’s a Dealer Joe’s. There are sheep yogurt merchandise now. Uh, it’s, in a method, straightforward to search out, uh, sheep cheeses, Manchego. You may get at Costco or Dealer Joe’s. You’ll find pecorino cheese, which is a sheep cheese. Goat cheeses are just a little more durable to search out, however even Dealer Joe’s has goat brie. A number of corporations at the moment are making goat mozzarella, goat cheddar. So individuals ought to search for these. They are going to make a distinction.
Katie: That’s nice to know. I’m curious if you happen to noticed any knowledge, and possibly not, that is only a analysis matter for me proper now of mineral consumption in these areas or if their atmosphere naturally has extra of the minerals that we’re not getting in our eating regimen, particularly if we’re consuming processed meals.
Dr. Gundry: Yeah, one of many issues that I do loads of YouTube movies about this, our soil is so depleted right here in the US of minerals. The truth is, there’s a Senate doc from 1939 that I’ve written about in earlier books that mainly says, our soil is so depleted, this was 1939, that we must eat repeatedly and nonetheless couldn’t make up for the shortage of minerals in our eating regimen, consuming repeatedly.
The opposite factor that’s occurred in our soil, is glyphosate is an antibiotic, and it’s killed off the microbiome of the soil. And the microbiome of the soil was really chargeable for taking these natural compounds and minerals and placing them into the soil, primary, after which aiding the basis system of the plant to take up these minerals into the plant. So, you already know, corn might seem like corn now, but it surely bears no relationship to what corn was 50 years in the past. A chunk of broccoli might seem like broccoli now, but it surely actually has a 3rd of the minerals of fifty years in the past. So yeah, we’re profoundly mineral-depleted. And by chance, these Blue Zones, or these long-lived those who aren’t, quote, official Blue Zones, they reside in distant areas, glyphosate has by no means come close to them. They farm the land or choose the land. They’re consuming greens and leaves which are rising in eight toes of loam soil. And they also’re getting these vitamins which have lengthy been lacking in our eating regimen.
Katie: Properly, and primarily based on that statistic of we’d should eat repeatedly and we nonetheless wouldn’t get sufficient minerals, it looks as if there’s two keys there to spotlight. One is, after all, avoiding glyphosate nonetheless attainable. And the second, it could look like that is additionally a theme in podcast company that I’ve had is we’re just about at some extent within the fashionable world the place we do should complement with sure issues to succeed in these minimal quantities. Like, sadly, we’re not at some extent the place we will get all the pieces from meals, even when, such as you mentioned, we ate all day lengthy.
Dr. Gundry: Yeah, and one of many theories that’s really come out of animal research is that animals, in the event that they’re disadvantaged of a selected nutrient, will repeatedly eat of what’s obtainable to them to get to this crucial nutrient quantity of their physique. Issues that they’d by no means take into account consuming or an animal that doesn’t eat loads of carbohydrates, however the carbohydrate that’s offered within the eating regimen has these important minerals, the animal will go and eat these items till it will get what it’s on the lookout for. I imply, I at all times comply with my canines within the spring. They’re consuming younger shoots of grass. And I’m going, yeah, that’s attention-grabbing. What are you guys doing that for? They’re not throwing up. They’re on the lookout for younger shoots of grass. Properly, and that’s the place all the most recent little bits of polyphenols and minerals are coming from. Canines are fairly good, too.
Katie: I believe that highlights one thing actually necessary as a result of I’ve puzzled this for a very long time. We hear usually that Individuals particularly are overfed and undernourished. A number of years in the past, I switched from interested by energy and macros in any respect and checked out nutrient density in meals, particularly micronutrients. I consciously began upping my mineral consumption, and I observed that I used to be far much less hungry and that my physique appeared to be way more in tune with what it needed to eat. I’ve puzzled if many of those issues we’re having within the US, after all, are multifaceted, but it surely’s as a result of we’re so poor in a few of these micronutrients that our our bodies are craving additional meals like canines would to attempt to hit these minimums for survival and if we might really profit ourselves by being much more acutely aware in our mineral consumption and our nutrient consumption.
Dr. Gundry: Yeah, completely. One of many research that I alluded to in earlier e-book was they took some, properly, let me preface that. We all know that our microbiome determines loads of what we’re on the lookout for when it comes to energy and the types of energy we’re on the lookout for. And one of many themes of the e-book, Intestine Test, is we’ve primary, starved our microbiome as a result of we don’t eat any soluble fiber. And we’ve, you already know, genocided our microbiome as a result of we actively eat glyphosate, we actively eat antibiotics, virtually all of the meats that we eat are loaded with antibiotics, a brand new examine out two weeks in the past confirmed that each one quick meals meals have antibiotics in them. And glyphosate.
So if you happen to take regular volunteers in China and put them on a two-week water-only quick, and half the group will get 100 energy of prebiotic fiber, indigestible by us, however the meals for the intestine microbiome. The group that obtained the prebiotic fiber on a water quick had completely no starvation for 2 weeks. The group that simply obtained water have been actually hungry for a couple of week earlier than they adjusted. And I believe that confirms that mainly the microbiome was being fed, then sends textual content messages, these are literally postbiotics, to the mind saying, hey! We’re good down right here. You’ve carried out your job. We’re comfortable. Don’t have to go search for anything. Thanks very a lot. Let’s have day. And I believe that basically does converse to the facility that we used to have in a wholesome microbiome that we fed what they wanted, like a tuber for example, nice supply of prebiotic fiber, and we didn’t attempt to kill our microbiome day-after-day with what we ate.
Katie: Wow, that’s positively a placing instance. And I’d love to listen to in our previous few minutes, really, what your individual each day habits and eating regimen and foundational issues that you simply do day-after-day, your non-negotiables, your private 80-20 since you are nonetheless a really prolific author. You talked about you’re nonetheless seeing sufferers. You appear to have this enormous quantity of inner power and drive to enhance the world. So I’d love to listen to what your private life appears to be like like for a minute and what your each day non-negotiables are.
Dr. Gundry: Properly, let’s see. Each day non-negotiable is I’ve to take our canines for a two-mile stroll, hike within the hills. That’s non-negotiable in line with the canines. Then I don’t eat breakfast for essentially the most half. In the course of the winter months from January by means of June, I don’t eat lunch both. I eat all my energy in a couple of two-hour window from 5 to seven at evening. Do I’ve to do this? No. I’ve been doing it now, I believe, for 25 years, so it appears to be working. In the course of the summer season, I type of again off from that.
There’s fairly good proof, and I talked about it in Intestine Test, and I’ve up to now, that most likely if you happen to actually needed to make peace together with your intestine and promote longevity, a six-hour consuming window, might be optimum. So which means an 18-hour fasting window. One of many issues I’m going over and again and again in Intestine Test is you must have downtime to your intestine wall to restore itself. It can’t continually be concerned in digestion and absorption of meals. It has to have restore. And you’ll do that to a automotive, you’ll do that to an airplane engine. The thought, the typical American eats 16 hours a day from the second we stand up to actually earlier than we go to mattress. And so there may be nearly no restore time for our intestine. And whereas there are loads of superb causes to do time-restricted consuming, intermittent fasting, I believe one of many causes that’s missed by so many individuals is the necessity for restore of the wall of the intestine.
Years in the past, taking a look at, there’s a worm mannequin of longevity. The worm is C. elegans. And the worm mannequin of longevity, this mannequin has labored for each longevity selling polyphenol drug, et cetera, we at all times begin with this worm mannequin as a result of no matter works within the worm mannequin at all times works in greater organisms. So one of many fascinating issues is the worm begins to die. Because the wall of its intestine, and it has just a little tiny digestive system, however the wall of its intestine is just one cell thick like ours. And as gaps seem within the wall of that worm’s intestine, the worm begins to die. The extra that wall will get destroyed, the sooner the worm dies. And that has had, and Hippocrates mentioned it 2,500 years in the past, all illness begins within the intestine, and all illness begins in a leaky intestine. So the actually intestine test is all of us want a intestine test to advertise the integrity of the wall of artwork. And all of the tips of how to do this that I’ve realized now in 25 years of working with my sufferers is in that e-book. And in order that’s what I do. I take loads of dietary supplements. I’m a man who a very long time in the past mentioned dietary supplements make costly urine. They don’t. You’re proper, our meals, our soil is so depleted that you simply simply can’t sustain with what we needs to be getting in our eating regimen with out supplementing.
Katie: And I do know you talked about that statistic, which appears so staggering to me as properly, that individuals eat a mean of it in a 16-hour window within the US. And I believe I additionally learn that the typical, we expect we simply eat three meals a day, however out of your intestine’s perspective, any time energy enter the physique and should be dealt with, that’s an consuming occasion. And I believe the latest one I noticed was it was one thing like 17 instances a day, one thing is getting into your physique that your intestine has to take care of. So it’s actually such as you mentioned, we’re not getting any intestine relaxation. We’re bombarding our guts, usually with issues which are harming it, definitely not usually with issues which are serving to it. So possibly a few of these shifts like specializing in these nutrient-density, including in some sheep and goat cheeses. I do know you’ve got dietary supplements that assist with the restoration course of when you’ve got leaky intestine. And I do know you go tremendous deep on this matter in Intestine Test on find out how to actually resolve the issues at a intestine stage. However it looks as if these easy methods usually get ignored as a result of they’re easy, and I see that sample again and again. However the nice information is that our our bodies, after we can do these easy issues, know find out how to heal and so they need to, and they’re going to. And so I really like that you simply give individuals their energy again by making that so accessible on this e-book and actually in your whole books, which I’ll ensure are linked within the present notes. However Dr. Gundry, I at all times be taught a lot from you. It’s at all times an absolute pleasure to get to speak to you, and I’m so grateful to your time. Thanks for being right here at the moment.
Dr. Gundry: Properly, Wellness Mama sustain the nice work.
Katie: Properly, thanks. And thanks as at all times to all of you for listening and sharing your most beneficial sources, your time, your power, and your consideration with us at the moment. We’re each so grateful that you simply did. And I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the subsequent episode of the Wellness Mama podcast.
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