On the day that Elon Musk purchased Twitter for $44 billion, he tweeted, “the hen is freed,” a really brief phrase, even by the requirements of Twitter (now X). And but it incorporates so many innuendos and unanswered questions. Was the hen shackled earlier than? Is the person who freed it … a liberator? Freed to do what precisely?
Musk has all the time talked a giant sport on free speech and even described himself as a “free speech absolutist.” However his possession and administration of X has revealed the deep inconsistencies between his professed values and his actions. And it isn’t simply Musk. All through the world of tech, proof of illiberalism is on the rise.
On this week’s episode of Radio Atlantic, Adrienne LaFrance, the manager editor of The Atlantic, names and explains the political ideology of the unelected leaders of Silicon Valley. They’re main a motion she calls “techno-authoritarianism.”
Take heed to the dialog right here:
The next is a transcript of the episode:
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Information Archival: That is the massive shock in Silicon Valley at this time. Sam Altman, the face of the generative-AI growth and CEO of OpenAI, he’s out of the corporate.
Adrienne LaFrance: You in all probability keep in mind seeing headlines proper earlier than Thanksgiving a few bunch of drama at OpenAI.
Information Archival: That roller-coaster trip at OpenAI is over. Not less than we predict it’s over. Ousted CEO Sam Altman has been rehired, and the board that pushed him out is gone.
LaFrance: I imply, it was in all probability probably the most dramatic story in tech, presumably of this century. I imply, actually dramatic.
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Hanna Rosin: That’s Adrienne LaFrance, the manager editor of The Atlantic, and she or he’s been following tech for many years. So you’ll count on that she would discover this Silicon Valley workplace gossip dramatic.
However the shocking factor is, lots of people did—which might be as a result of beneath that “will they or gained’t they rehire Sam Altman?” query, there was a extra basic debate occurring.
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LaFrance: On one aspect, you may have individuals arguing for a extra cautious strategy to improvement of synthetic intelligence. And on the opposite, you may have an argument or a kind of worldview that claims, This expertise is right here. It’s taking place. It’s altering the world already. Not solely ought to we not decelerate, however it will be irresponsible to decelerate.
So it’s this simply dramatically completely different worldview of, , nearly polar opposites—of when you decelerate, you’re hurting humanity, versus when you don’t decelerate, you’re hurting humanity.
Rosin: So probably the most oversimplification is like scale and revenue versus warning.
LaFrance: Precisely. However the people who find themselves on the scale-and-profit aspect would really like you to consider that also they are working in humanity’s finest curiosity.
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Rosin: That is Radio Atlantic. I’m Hanna Rosin. The drama at OpenAI was a uncommon second the place an ideological divide in Silicon Valley was so central, and specific.
We’re not going to speak in regards to the Sam Altman saga at this time. However we’re going to speak about these underlying beliefs, as a result of in an trade outlined by innovations, and IPOs, and tech bro jokes, it’s straightforward to overlook what a basic driver ideology will be.
In a current story for The Atlantic, Adrienne argued that we should always study these views extra fastidiously and take them far more significantly than we do. And she or he put a reputation to the ideology: techno-authoritarianism.
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Rosin: So, we’re used to considering of some tech titans as villains, however you’re form of defining them as villains with political significance. What do you imply if you name them the despots of Silicon Valley?
LaFrance: So I’ve been serious about this for years, truthfully, and one thing that had been irritating me is I really feel that we, as a society, haven’t correctly positioned Silicon Valley the place it must be, when it comes to its precise significance and affect.
So everyone knows it influences our lives. And, , I might love to speak about screens and social media and all the remaining, however Silicon Valley has additionally had this profound affect politically and culturally that’s a lot larger than simply the gadgets we’re holding in our pockets.
Rosin: Mm-hmm.
LaFrance: It has bothered me as a result of I really feel like we haven’t correctly known as that what it’s, which is an precise ideology that comes out of Silicon Valley that’s political in nature, even when it’s not a political social gathering.
It’s this worldview that’s intolerant. It goes towards democratic values, which means not the Democratic Celebration however values that promote democracy and the well being of democracy. And it presupposes that the technocratic elite is aware of finest and never the individuals.
Rosin: I imply, authoritarian is a really sturdy phrase. We’re used to utilizing “authoritarian” in a distinct context, which is our political context.
LaFrance: Undoubtedly. I imply, I assume the nuance I might need to add is that this isn’t political within the conventional sense. It’s not as if you may have authoritarian technocrats making an attempt to come back to energy in Silicon Valley by the use of elections or coups, even. They’re not even bothering with our techniques of presidency, as a result of they have already got positioned themselves as extra vital and influential, culturally. And so it’s nearly like they don’t must hassle with authorities for his or her energy.
Rosin: I see. So it’s a type of energy we don’t even acknowledge, as a result of we don’t precisely have buildings to place it in or perceive it.
LaFrance: Properly, we could not acknowledge it as readily due to that, however I feel when you look not even that carefully, it’s fairly plain to see.
In case you simply take note of how individuals speak about what they assume issues, who they assume ought to make selections, who they characterize as their enemies—establishments, consultants, journalists, for instance. , if it seems like an authoritarian and quacks like an authoritarian, then, : ta-da.
Rosin: Proper. Proper.
LaFrance: The explanation I needed to attempt to outline what this ideology is, is I do really feel as if over the previous 5 to 10 years, one thing has shifted, steadily at first after which extra shortly. The kind of subversion of Enlightenment-era language and values to justify an authoritarian technocratic worldview was alarming to me. And so, for instance, you’ll see lots of people on this class describing themselves as free-speech absolutists—I feel a very easy instance of this may be Elon Musk—and saying all of the issues that somebody who believes in liberal democracy would possibly agree with on its face, however then performing one other approach.
So, to say you’re a free-speech absolutist however then tailor your privately run social platform to serve your individual wants and beliefs and choose in your perceived enemies—I imply, that’s not free-speech absolutism in any respect.
And so this sense of aggrievement has accelerated and develop into, , extra vitriolic and extra ostentatious. It simply looks as if it’s getting extra pronounced.
Rosin: When did you begin being attentive to tech titans? When did you begin following the trade?
LaFrance: I first began actually writing about tech for The Atlantic in 2013.
Rosin: Mm-hmm. What was the promise of tech again then? How had been tech titans framing their very own work or behaving otherwise than now?
LaFrance: Proper. I imply, so 10 to fifteen years in the past, we had been speaking in regards to the daybreak of the social cellular age. So smartphones are nonetheless kind of new. (Social media shouldn’t be completely new. , Fb began in 2004. You can return to, like, Friendster or Myspace earlier than that.) Uber was new. It was very a lot an period of individuals nonetheless being wowed.
And albeit, I’m nonetheless wowed by this. Like, you choose up this smartphone—this new, shiny, lovely system—and also you press a button on the cellphone, and one thing can occur in the true world: You summon a taxi or, , meals supply. All of these things appears completely regular to us now, but it surely was this miraculous time the place individuals had been making a approach of interacting with the world that was completely new.
And so there was nonetheless, I feel, definitely wholesome skepticism, however you had numerous the bright-eyed optimism that I feel began, definitely, within the ’90s that also carried over.
Rosin: And was there a worldview hooked up to that awe? Like, I keep in mind the phrase, “Don’t be evil,” however I can’t place it in time. Like, was there some concept of—
LaFrance: I can’t keep in mind when Google retired that, however there definitely got here a degree the place it turned ridiculous to put on that optimism in your sleeve. There was this time the place Silicon Valley was a spot for underdogs, for individuals with massive desires and the power to code, they usually’d come and do superb issues.
I feel we even have to recollect—I don’t need to be too starry-eyed about it—even then, this was an period the place you had, like, the bro-ish tradition, and girls working in numerous these corporations on the time report simply horrible experiences.
And so there are flaws from the beginning, as with all trade or any tradition. However I feel 10 or 15 years in the past is across the time issues began to curdle somewhat bit.
I consider it was 2012 when Fb ultimately purchased Instagram, with its $1 billion valuation, and it was this second the place individuals had been like, No. Come on. Like, That’s an insane amount of cash. Is it actually value that?
And also you had a string of those kind of obscene quantities of cash. And what you had been witnessing—and I feel individuals began to appreciate this then, too—was just like the monopolization and these giants gobbling up their rivals. The forces set in movement that led us to the atmosphere that we’re in at this time.
And we didn’t comprehend it till a few years later, however 2012 was additionally the yr that Fb was doing its now-infamous mood-manipulation experiments, when it was exhibiting customers various things to see if they may attempt to make individuals joyful or unhappy or indignant, with out their consent.
And by then, I feel, most people was beginning to understand, , there could also be some downsides to all these shiny issues.
Rosin: Yeah. After which got here 2016, when it felt like Fb’s function within the election was one thing all people observed.
LaFrance: Proper, and every kind of questions on focused advertisements for sure populations and election interference, international or in any other case. So, undoubtedly, there was one other wave of intense criticism for Fb then. , critical questions on these corporations wreaking havoc have been round for years.
Rosin: It’s been eight or 10 years. So, like, what feels completely different now?
LaFrance: The explanation I wrote this now could be we’re, in America, definitely, and elsewhere on this planet, dealing with an actual struggle for the way forward for democracy. And the stakes are excessive. And it appeared vital to me, , at a time when everybody’s going to be targeted on the 2024 presidential election, as they need to be, and on the stakes there, there are different forces for illiberalism and autocracy which can be permeating our society, and we should always reckon with these too.
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Rosin: After the break, we speak about a voice that appears to seize techno-authoritarianism completely. And naturally, we reckon.
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LaFrance: So when you take a look at the social circumstances that assist provoke political violence or stoke individuals’s urge for food for a robust man in cost—or choose your destabilizing social, political, cultural power—numerous these issues go collectively and overlap.
And I feel numerous those self same circumstances are exacerbated by our relationship, particular person and societal, with expertise after which additional exacerbated by the tech titans who need to defend towards any criticism of the present atmosphere.
Rosin: I see. So the tolerance for political autocracy and our tolerance for technological autocracy, they form of meld collectively and produce the identical outcomes.
LaFrance: I feel so. I imply, simply take into consideration, like, Orwell or Ray Bradbury. We all know that—I imply, these had been futuristic books of their instances, considering of 1984 and Fahrenheit 451—
Rosin: Politics and expertise, the interplay between—that’s the engine of sci-fi.
LaFrance: Yeah, or simply take a look at how Hitler used the radio. Like, expertise shouldn’t be inherently evil. I really like expertise. I desperately love the web. Like, I really do.
However I feel when you may have terribly highly effective individuals placing their worldview when it comes to, Progress is inevitable, and, Anybody who doesn’t need to simply transfer ahead for the sake of transferring ahead is on the aspect of evil, simply the starkness of how they body that is so uncomplicated.
There’s no nuance, and it’s in actually authoritarian phrases. Simply, it ought to scare individuals.
Rosin: Okay. I feel I need to get to the specifics of what this ideology really is.
LaFrance: Okay. So a helpful instance is Marc Andreessen, the enterprise capitalist. , Andreessen Horowitz is his agency. He’s a really well-known, influential, however pugnacious man.
And he has written what he calls “The Techno-Optimist Manifesto,” and it’s a really lengthy weblog publish, however I feel a revealing one and value studying within the sense that it lays out a few of what I’m describing right here.
He lists, kind of, what a techno-optimist would consider, and I’m paraphrasing right here, however: progress for progress’s sake, all the time transferring ahead, rejecting custom, rejecting historical past, rejecting experience, rejecting establishments. He has an inventory of enemies.
You take a look at the properly that persons are drawing from, and it offers you a way of the kind of the mental rigidity, I might say, of simply: What we’re doing is nice as a result of it’s what we’re doing, and we’re going to do it as a result of we’re doing it.
There’s kind of this, like, round logic to it. So anyway, that’s one instance, “The Techno-Optimist Manifesto.”
Rosin: Let’s learn a few of the traces, simply to typify his type of writing and considering. I imply, the one which I all the time take into consideration, is the one in regards to the lightning.
LaFrance: It’s actually dramatic. [Laughs.]
Rosin: I keep in mind considering, once I learn that line, I’ve by no means presumably learn something as smug as this.
LaFrance: I do know, properly, however we shouldn’t snigger at it, as a result of he’s critical. Have you learnt what I imply?
Rosin: Properly, let’s get to that, however simply so individuals perceive the type—
LaFrance: Okay. [Demonstratively clears throat.] I’m actually not going to snigger. Okay. He says, “We consider in nature, however we additionally consider in overcoming nature. We aren’t primitives, cowering in concern of the lightning bolt. We’re the apex predator; the lightning works for us.”
Rosin: “The lightning works for us.” Wow. That’s one thing.
LaFrance: Look, I get, like, there’s a model of this that, harnessed correctly, may encourage individuals to do spectacular issues.
And, like, there’s one thing lovely about nice creativeness in tech. That’s nice. However yeah, saying, “The lightning works for us,” is a bit a lot.
Rosin: I even have hassle understanding optimist versus pessimist.
LaFrance: Proper. He’s so mad for an optimist.
Rosin: Sure. It’s a mixture of, kind of, Ayn Rand converse and a form of indignant Twitter manifesto.
However it’s darkish and apocalyptic, and I did surprise about that. Like, why is it known as “The Techno-Optimist” and but it feels extraordinarily reactionary? Like, it echoes a form of reactionary language that you simply hear in some corners of the Republican Celebration and Trumpism. It’s somewhat bit like “Make America nice once more.” The way in which individuals talked about that’s the most pessimistic political slogan that anybody’s ever gained with.
LaFrance: Completely. I imply, I feel you’re hitting the precise level, which is that they take—I’ll converse only for Andreessen right here. He’s describing himself and this manifesto as optimistic, however in the identical approach that some technocrats take Enlightenment values and declare to assist them whereas saying the precise reverse of what these values really imply. And so I feel it’s a subversion of which means. It’s: We’re optimists. We’re the great guys.
And then you definitely learn it and also you’re like, That is horrifying.
However this isn’t some Reddit discussion board within the nook that solely six guys are studying and agreeing with one another. These are probably the most highly effective individuals on the planet, they usually’re vastly influential and other people purchase into it.
Rosin: Might you assist me perceive, what’s the final word objective of a techno-optimist? Is it social change? Is it an perspective shift? Is it cash?
It’s very exhausting to know. Is it simply scaling an organization? Or is it cultural, societal change? Like, what do you assume they’re after?
LaFrance: Properly, I wouldn’t name it a techno-optimist. I wouldn’t use that time period.
However the worldview that’s being expressed right here, I feel the objective, definitely, is to retain energy and to maximise revenue. And one of many acknowledged targets from the manifesto is quote, “to make sure the techno-capital upward spiral continues without end.” In order that’s clearly speaking about continued enrichment for these highly effective individuals, who’re already very rich. However , they need to construct new issues and make a ton of cash.
Rosin: Mm-hmm. That’s the bizarre factor. Like, it doesn’t sound like a enterprise technique.
LaFrance: [Laughs.]
Rosin: It appears like a manifesto for social overhaul. And so it’s exhausting to know what it’s.
LaFrance: I’ll say, to be truthful, I feel this encapsulates additionally the people who find themselves creating world-changing tech for good, which is occurring.
I imply, when you take a look at even the realm of AI, we hope—we haven’t seen it but, however I absolutely count on we’ll see AI that helps treatment illnesses. That’s outstanding. We must always all want for that consequence. And I hope that the individuals engaged on this are singularly targeted on that form of work.
And so I feel when you had been to ask somebody like Marc Andreessen or Elon Musk or choose your favourite technocrat, they’d say, We’re altering the world to make it higher for humanity. We’re going to go to Mars. We’re going to treatment illness.
And individuals who have this worldview could, actually, assist do this, which is implausible. However with a view to get to Mars, what’s the trade-off when you’re speaking about this worldview?
Rosin: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Among the many leaders of main tech corporations, how prevalent do you assume this perspective is?
LaFrance: It’s a extremely good query. Actually, there are such a lot of tech corporations, I don’t really feel comfy saying that it’s widespread throughout each one. Like, there’s so many tech corporations, proper?
Rosin: Mm-hmm.
LaFrance: However it’s extremely seen and vocal amongst many very influential leaders in tech. So when you had been to take a look at each single tech firm, it might not even be a majority. However among the many strongest individuals, it’s extremely seen and prevalent.
Rosin: And the way would you examine it with the attitudes of, say, the robber barons of earlier eras?
LaFrance: There’s really an awesome e book known as Railroaded by the Stanford historian Richard White that’s principally about robber barons, however your entire time I used to be studying it, I used to be serious about Silicon Valley, as a result of it’s a really pure comparability.
You’ve got this kind of, , world-changing expertise that’s quickly enriching this handful of highly effective males—principally males—and this query of, , Did railroads change America for good? Definitely. In fact, they did. However, there are questions of monopoly and the way a lot energy anyone individual ought to maintain and all of the questions that give you Silicon Valley, too.
So, I feel there are similarities there, however I feel there are limitations to the similarities, partly as a result of I feel the way in which that the present tech developments are altering our lives are taking place on a world scale a lot sooner. And I don’t assume lots of people correctly perceive that, like, we’re nonetheless simply firstly of determining what smartphones and the web have executed to us, and AI is right here now. And it’s just like the diploma to which the world is altering is, I feel, a lot larger in magnitude than it’s potential to know on a traditional human timeline.
It’s wild. It’s approach larger than railroads.
Rosin: I assume the implications of issues taking place sooner, in a extra form of chaotic approach, is that society doesn’t have time to catch up, and so you find yourself being extra reactionary. I imply, that’s typically what occurs, traditionally. And governments don’t have time to catch up, as a result of they’re slow-moving, so the conventional, gradual laws that you’d put in place, there simply isn’t time to, kind of, agree on them.
So, you’ve talked about historic roots of fascism. What do you imply by that?
LaFrance: Properly, I need to watch out, as a result of it’s invoked casually and lazily. And I’m not calling technocrats of at this time fascists, simply to be completely clear. And I don’t assume, for example, that “The Techno-Optimist Manifesto” is a fascist doc, and I don’t assume that it’s expounding a fascist worldview. However, when you take a look at the mental origins of a few of the concepts that this manifesto incorporates, you clearly will likely be reminded of the beginnings of fascism.
So, when you look to the Thirties, which is when the kind of first American technocracy motion flourished, it was taking place at a time when there was this push for modernism, in poetry primarily but additionally artwork, and that had discovered its footing amongst futurists in Italy as properly.
And so one determine, specifically, involves thoughts and is somebody who Andreessen occurs to say as one among his patron saints of techno-optimism.
It’s a person named F. T. Marinetti, who is commonly described as the daddy of futurism. He writes the [Manifesto of Futurism], which is value studying, completely. I agree with Andreessen on that entrance. And it professes this worldview of serious about people’ place within the machine age and all the pieces dashing up and the great thing about the long run and the likelihood. It is vitally techno-optimistic in nature.
And, 10 years later, Marinetti then writes The Fascist Manifesto, and lots of the figures who led the futurism motion in Italy helped begin fascism in Italy.
, I’m not suggesting that this turns into fascism, however I’m pointing to proof that exhibits {that a} motion that’s cultural can have large political energy when stoked by the suitable social circumstances and charismatic leaders.
Rosin: Proper, so a motion that has its origins in creativity and creativeness can ultimately form of curdle be manipulated right into a motion the place the individuals who have the creativity and creativeness are (a) virtuous and (b) the pure leaders of a society, after which that may flip and develop into fascistic.
LaFrance: Proper. And simply because somebody says they’re devoting their life or their worldview to progress—it sounds good. Or they’re optimists—it sounds good. It doesn’t imply it’s good.
Rosin: Proper.
Okay. You’ve talked about there are good issues about expertise and, to make certain, there are fantastic issues taking place. So I need to try to piece a few of this aside.
Andreessen talks quite a bit about AI danger. Like, it’s developed right into a cult. All we ever speak about is AI danger. I feel there’s a professional critique that each political events typically solely see expertise’s risks and, actually, don’t rely sufficient on or encourage sufficient technological fixes to apparent issues that exist. What do you consider that?
LaFrance: I really like expertise and agree with you, simply to be clear.
Rosin: I imply, like, I used to be considering, local weather change is an instance. Like, lots of people would say we had been too danger averse. We didn’t—by we, I imply the American authorities—create laws to encourage technological innovation.
We’re kind of gradual on that. We’ve Construct Again Higher, and it’s like we now have these kind of outdated, infrastructure-y concepts about easy methods to enhance society, after we may have inspired much more technological innovation.
LaFrance: Proper. Properly, one factor I take into consideration quite a bit is Sam Altman, the CEO of OpenAI, one thing he mentioned to our colleague Ross Andersen final spring, which was, , In a useful society, authorities can be doing this work that I’m doing at OpenAI, however we don’t have a useful authorities. Mainly, I’m paraphrasing what he mentioned.
, I feel this must be the work because it was in, , the mid-Twentieth century, that the good scientific innovation must be taking place with public funding, with no matter diploma of regulation is deemed needed by the general public.
Rosin: Like an NIH equal, principally.
LaFrance: Yeah, and even at a college. Like, universities aren’t main the way in which right here, which is tragic, I feel.
Rosin: I think about if I had requested you this 10 years in the past, like, What authorities regulation must be in place? What sort of controls would you may have needed? you would possibly’ve mentioned none, since you simply bought your new smartphone, or one thing. How do you consider this now?
LaFrance: I’m reluctant to speak about regulation for 2 causes: (1) It’s so boring, Hanna—come on—and (2) I actually am not an professional on regulation, and I’ll confess that I don’t assume it’s the swiftest path to the answer that’s finest for the individuals, in lots of circumstances.
Rosin: Mm-hmm.
LaFrance: I’m not, like, blanket towards regulation. Like, I see all the numerous methods the place it’s—
Rosin: I imply, I feel with regulation, it’s like good regulation is nice; unhealthy regulation is obstructive. Like, it’s a case-by-case foundation.
LaFrance: A hundred percent. And the opposite factor is, although, that we do have some take a look at circumstances. Like, when you take a look at a few of the European (or elsewhere) regulation of social media, for instance, it’s not, I don’t assume, essentially good for the general public’s proper to know issues or free speech, for instance. Like, numerous what’s occurred in different nations would by no means stand up to scrutiny when it comes to free-speech challenges.
Rosin: So what’s the final word worth you’re making an attempt to protect?
LaFrance: , possibly that is me being an optimist, however I feel we now have extra energy and company to vary the tradition than it typically appears like. And definitely there are areas the place it’s actually exhausting and norms are already established however, like, we should always reside in a world the place we management how we use tech and the way tech is used towards us.
And there’s numerous lip service paid to that concept, after all, by individuals in Silicon Valley, who’re making a ton of cash off holding individuals captive to their gadgets. But when sufficient sensible individuals take possession of this as a factor to resolve and, like, are leaders of their communities, of their households, of their workplaces—wherever it might be—I’ve far more religion in particular person individuals than the federal government to control, though regulation might be additionally vital.
Rosin: It’s attention-grabbing. We all the time wind up on this place. It simply got here to thoughts, this picture: I met a really pretty 19-year-old who has a flip cellphone, after which one other one who has a flip cellphone. However I’m considering that, like, cute child together with his flip cellphone has to by some means—
LaFrance: It was like hipsters shopping for report gamers in 2010.
Rosin: Precisely like that, they usually should by some means maintain the barrier towards Meta. It’s this younger child versus Meta.
LaFrance: Properly, I imply, the facility of youngsters declaring what’s cool is definitely a vastly influential cultural power. So, like, teenagers, when you’re listening, save us.
Rosin: Yeah. Go purchase some flip telephones. All proper. Okay. Properly, we’ll should dedicate one other episode to precise options.
LaFrance: Excellent. I’ll be there.
Rosin: All proper. Thanks for becoming a member of us.
LaFrance: Thanks a lot for having me.
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Rosin: This episode of Radio Atlantic was produced by Kevin Townsend. It was edited by Claudine Ebeid, fact-checked by Yvonne Kim, and engineered by Rob Smierciak. Claudine Ebeid is the manager producer for Atlantic Audio, and Andrea Valdez is our managing editor. I’m Hanna Rosin. Thanks for listening.
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Rosin: Techno-authoritarianism. Boy, that’s a mouthful. [Inflects pronunciation.] Techno-authori-tarianism. Techno-authoritarianism. Techno-authoritarianism.